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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:10 pm

Ever since Delta said Empire always wins DS CTF I have ignored his opinions on the map

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:54 pm

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Ever since Delta said Empire always wins DS CTF I have ignored his opinions on the map

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:52 pm

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Death Star is boring fight in the middle trash. Hence why we played the draw and won Season 10. We knew it was primarily luck of the spawns gets the score.


Right Delta, thats good, lets completely dismiss a map that actually rewards teams for map control and setting up. Anyone can shoot a gun, what truly separates one player from another is decision making.  Death Star 1 Flag offers more choices that can win or lose you the game than any other map in this game. DS, more than any other map, promotes and rewards teamwork. But hey, why would we want want to reward teams for having good teamwork in a competitive ladder right? Trash map.

Here let me start over...Your two objections to the map are 1) you find the battle for the middle boring and 2) you think it boils down to TLuck of spawns.


In response to your objections over fighting in the middle of the map,

Look, some people are going to enjoy certain aspects of gameplay more than offers. Obviously you are not a fan of the fight for the middle in DS CTF but, I'm going to have to ask you to leave your personal feelings out of this and look at the map objectively. If you truly take a step back and look at DS from an unbiased stand point there is no way that you will argue that it is not one of the most competitive and balanced maps in the game which requires a large amount of teamwork.

The fight for the middle is one of the most important aspects to DS. If a team can set up around the middle and hold their position they completely control the flow of the game and they instantly put an immense amount of pressure on the opposing team. In a situation like this a teams style and individually can really come out and be felt more so than on conquest maps. You can see how aggressive or how cautious certain teams are. the fight for the middle of the map adds another layer to the game by creating another major objective to contest besides the flag.

In response to the spawns i only have this to say

SWBF2's spawn system is far from perfect and ,unfortunately, because of how the system is set up TLuck comes into play on every single respawn on every single map. For reasons that are beyond me you are choosing to only condemn this map for the spawn timer, saying that Team A can score because Team B received long spawns. On the flip side of that Team A can be poised to score but then Team B gets a miracle 1 second spawn to thwart the advance. Now on normal circumstances i would agree with you, but then I remember how many times LSJ has lost a conquest map because we got 15 second spawns or how many times LSJ could not close out a victory because the other team kept getting one second spawns. I fail to see how TLuck in conquest is okay with you but in CTF its a banable offense....im fucking perplexed.

This is what I was looking for.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:11 am

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Ever since Delta said Empire always wins DS CTF I have ignored his opinions on the map

Except my opinion on getting a 6th map because I knew we'd tie it. Rolling Eyes

And Empire used to always win.  Times have changed, I'll be the first to admit that. I also have never won it on rebels...mainly because my sniper in MoC/AoN was very...meh Wink .

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:28 am

I don't remember you sniping for MOC or AoN Delta. Kappa

The real issue with playing vs LSJ on DS CTF is Pimp. Dude is hands down the best sniper in the game so if you give LSJ rebels he WILL put up big numbers every single time. Well, the only alternative to that is giving them empire, and they have quite possibly the best flag running engy and rocket in the BFC trying to score on the "easy" rebel base. It's a pick your Poison type of scenario. You just have to be prepared for whichever way you're willing to play. They're not unbeatable just they're the only clan who doesn't bitch and moan when the map is picked and thus have gotten very good at it.
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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:22 am

Sounds like both sides have pros and cons...Interesting.



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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:25 am

If not DSCTF what was the tie breaker? I can't honestly remember playing on any other maps competitively outside of Death Star, Tantive IV, Mos Eisley, Yavin IV, Coruscant, and Mustafar.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:17 am

CTF is usually played on a 30 minute timer, 3 capture limit.

Once we allowed EU to play in our ladders capture the flag was a lot more common. You would see some maps go forever because both clans would play the EU style of dumping the flag unless you were sure you could at least get inside the other team's base.

In our ctf/grunt tournament during season 10 LSJ and R played like 5 hours worth of DS CTF before someone finally SCORED. We had to drop down to a 3v3 as more players had to get off in preparation for school the next day. As entertaining as the map is, you can imagine having to spectate that all night long.

In the season 10 championship the 5th map was DS CTF and it was decided the timer would be increased to an hour. It was decided before the match that if that 5th map ended in a tie, the tie breaker map would be Dagobah. After that hour of DS, the score was only 1-1 despite LSJ generally playing very aggressive in flag. So it's been kind of a thing since then for playoff matches to have a tie breaker map if one of the clans wants it so we're not trapped in an endless cycle of Death Star games.
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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:37 am

With the new Twitch element to the games, would there be any way to prevent the DS jump by outlawing it?

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:42 am

No because accidents can and do happen quite often and implementing something like that is asking for controversy. Also jumping the Flag when used correctly is great move strategically and taking it out would remove alot of the maps depth making it lose part of its identity.
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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:47 am

I don't think it should be illegal. In some situations it's necessary. The problem is some of these players get a sort of mental block about scoring. Not sure if it's impatience or just poor game play but it's their own loss really. Also as LAK said you can accidentally roll off or not jump off that top platform in the empires base with enough speed and fall into the pit.
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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:20 am

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Ever since Delta said Empire always wins DS CTF I have ignored his opinions on the map

Except my opinion on getting a 6th map because I knew we'd tie it. Rolling Eyes

And Empire used to always win.  Times have changed, I'll be the first to admit that.  I also have never won it on rebels...mainly because my sniper in MoC/AoN was very...meh Wink .


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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:06 pm

I used to absolutely love DSCTF for the reasons LAK gave. You could massively influence it through being an intelligent player. However, since EU would use DSCTF as our first and last map of every match, people got way more defensive on it and it became mega dull. I personally hated flag jumping and saw it as cowardly, but I'd follow the orders of the team leader.

EU also started using Tantive CTF a lot. Its unpredictable and random nature helped to cover over the cracks in our ability, I guess. I personally thought Tantive CTF was really fun and had some great individual flag finishes in it.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:07 pm

Tantive CTF was a map I remember being used as tie breaker a few times. It's much more focused than DSCTF.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:45 pm

Momentum plays a huge part in Tantive CTF as once you get control, you just hit the opposition with wave after wave. It would completely flip if you get a triple or even a double and then the defending would be scrambled. I found it to be very intense and a lot more frantic than any of the other maps. It really punished players who lacked intelligence or were unaware, as EU found out a few times...

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:40 pm

So which map is unplayable? And/Or broken?

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:47 pm

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So which map is unplayable? And/Or broken?

I think every map have been played competitively in both conquest and CTF, There are a few maps with exceptions if played like no spawning at the AT-AT on hoth and geonosis in conquest, which without video evidence of someone spawning there could prove highly controversial BibleThump

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:54 pm

Felucia.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:56 pm

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Felucia.

What's wrong with Felucia? Kappa

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:58 pm

That map was always a crap-shoot.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:00 pm

What isn't wrong with Felucia?

Besides the environmental hazards, all of the particle effects in the air induced massive frame drops (we thought it was lag back in the day) making the map annoying to play on the PS2.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:06 pm

Yeah well i can't see a damn thing on mustafar and there is "environmental hazards" everywhere, and yet it's almost in every map rotation. BibleThump

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:08 pm

Are you saying that you liked Felucia? When did you even get to play it? Except for .Com's server I can't remember it ever being in anyone's rotation.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:12 pm

His question was is any map "unplayable", and I've personally played every map and mode competitively at least once and they were all playable.  I don't think the question was about public servers. And the map rotations i meant were for battles.

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PostSubject: Re: Which map is the most common?   Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:16 pm

Hoth and Geo aren't broken it's just they throw in an element of trusting the other team not to spawn at the walkers; and while streaming would help catch people, the SWBF2 spectator mode is hardly an efficient tool for the job.

There are a few maps that have reinforcement glitches which are usually banned. I think Geo CTF has some weird thing where if one team hits a certain number of kills the map ends. Otherwise the maps are all playable.
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